All posts by VicinityGhost
Didn’t care for it, I thought it was a bit of a disrespect to the character in fact
Blue and Gray
John Hamm would be a great Two-Face
TMNT because the bond between the New Yorkers
Arkham Asylum is the best imo
TAS is unmatched and I can’t see anything coming close
Will always be Dick, he’s the OG sidekick after all and became so much more. Though Tim is probably the most underrated
They seem more fitting in the Batverse
BTAS is something special. It created the definitive version of the character to many, stayed true to the villains and their unique issues. Developed a beautiful new art style for the show that carries an appropriate atmosphere for Gotham, all complete with an amazing and timeless voice cast.
It is the best, without question.
Red Hood
From the latest poster there’s reason to believe Mr. Freeze will be the villain. But there’s also info out there that Reeves has expressed interest in Clayface so who really knows yet.
I would prefer Mr. Freeze since I don’t see a big CGI mud monster working in his universe, unless he goes with the golden age version of the character.
As for how accurate the portrayal is on the big screen from source material? Nicholson no doubt about it.
You know comic books are allowed to be taken seriously yeah? And by extension the portrayals of its heroes on the big screen also. They get a bad rap but some iconic comic stories are that way for a reason. They can be poetic, tragic, and teach lessons on the human condition through metaphors. They are basically the medium used through which America’s myths and legends were born and spoken about (to me anyway). They are not all that different from stories like the Iliad and the Odyssey for their contribution to Greek mythology, where DC and Marvel heroes are the same and modernized for America’s mythology. Just saying that Batman lends himself to be seen through this lens pretty easily, and therefore being fun is not essential to his portrayal in the same way that Scooby is essential to Scooby Doo..not really a fair comparison imo.
Killing Joke is really good, but mine is The Man Who Laughs.
Yeah it’s pretty funny how that worked. Return of the Joker is great too. Highly recommend checking out Mask of the Phantasm when you get an opportunity.
Out of curiosity, what do you think of Mask of the Phantasm? To me it’s the ideal Batman movie and the best ever. It has the spirit of the animated series which, has silly moments but takes its world and characters seriously enough to be respectful. It’s the definitive version of the character to me.
That’s up to the Gotham City Justice system, which itself is corrupt and worried about more important things
I see what you mean, the latest Batman movies have not been particularly “fun”, but I don’t think it’s a prerequisite for him in the same way that, say Spider-Man should be. He’s a tragic figure at the core, so being fun is just not in his wheelhouse imo, whether as Batman or Bruce Wayne.
But that’s the beauty of interpretations of these legends, there’s some version out there for everyone. Thanks for the discussion, sorry for my long replies lol
That’s funny, cause I think Batman Begins is still the best live action Batman movie we have. Regarding the grimdark topic - does it not work in mystery/thriller movies? What about dystopian sci-fi? I think Batman is unique in that he is the one superhero that this genre can apply to, pretty easily at that. Maybe Daredevil as well. Batman and his world fit with horror too, with a set of very eccentric, psychologically unhinged people using a gimmick and terrorizing the city constantly. Look at Grant Morrison’s Arkham Asylum and how well that works. Gotham is a hellhole, it’s supposed to be hopeless and bleak. Pair that setting with a figure of vengeance, molded by tragedy, that carries an obsession with stopping crime and emulating a nocturnal animal ..yeah it’s no wonder we’ve gotten so many grimdark, realistic takes of this character.
Batman was created by inspiration of Zorro, the Shadow, and Dracula (essentially). These are respectively dark figures (with maybe the exception of Zorro) and some of Batman’s earliest stories are pulp noir detective stories where he even kills in a few. My point is that I think everything about him lends itself to a “grimdark” approach, it’s like bread and butter.
This is not to say that he can’t embrace a sillier, more comic-like interpretation. After all, his origins are rooted in comic books and there is a outlandish essence to Gotham City. I think the problem lies with balancing him in a way that honors his darkness, while still retaining the fantastical nature of a comic book that he comes from. It’s a hard task and I believe is why we have so many wildly different versions of him. All that being said - I think we’ve had too many showings of a super grounded, and realistic Batman in the last twenty years. Im ready for them to do some weird shit with him ripping stuff straight from the comic pages.
It’s alright. ‘89 and Returns were a couple years before my time, so I don’t have nostalgia for them but they’re fun movies. I think they nailed the aesthetic of Gotham, but to me they’re a little more silly than they should be. Between DeVito’s appearance and demeanor as Penguin, and the Prince scene in ‘89, they’re pretty immersion breaking for me. Nicholson’s Joker is great though. Also, Carrey’s Riddler is ridiculous and feels like a rip from Frank Gorshin’s in the Adam West show.
Overall I think they’re good for what they are and they’re a fun time, but I don’t consider them good “Batman” movies. Considering Burton never bothered reading source material, the movies definitely feel like less of an homage to a timeless character, and more his sole interpretation of him. I get this is probably a hot take.